Ira Glass -- host of This American Life, creator of Serial, professional dancer -- used our show as his prime example in "a principled defense of fun on public radio." And then he called the kind of failure that we aim for many days of each week "where you'll find the future."
We want to know more about all that stuff.
So he joins us this hour.
- Ira Glass - Host and creator of This American Life
Colin McEnroe, Greg Hill, and Chion Wolf contributed to this show, which originally aired on October 27, 2016.