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More Guns In Cars Mean More Guns Stolen From Cars

May 9, 2019
Originally published on May 9, 2019 12:28 pm

More guns are being stolen out of cars in America, particularly in states that have made it easier for people to carry firearms on the road.

There are no reliable national numbers, but an NPR survey of a sampling of police departments reveals steady increases in reports of guns stolen from vehicles.

In Atlanta, the number rose to 1,021 in 2018 from 439 in 2009.

In St. Louis, it increased to 597 from 200 in the same period.

Some of the biggest spikes have come just in the last few years in Tennessee. The number of guns reported stolen from vehicles statewide nearly doubled in one year. In 2016, 2,203 were reported; a year later, reports numbered 4,064, according to figures provided to NPR by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

"The crime overall is not new, but the volume — the amount that we're seeing — is new," says Lt. Blaine Whited of the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department. "It's enough to shock you."

Whited runs the city's Juvenile Crime Task Force, and he says youths are often the ones stealing the guns.

The kids know where they're at. - Lt. Blaine Whited, Metropolitan Nashville Police Department

"The kids know where they're at. They understand, 'We check enough door handles, we're gonna get something,' " Whited says.

Last year, 659 guns were reported stolen out of vehicles in Nashville — a 70% jump over 2016. And police say those guns are being used in crimes, such as the February killing of a local musician.

Whited believes people have become too "comfortable" with the guns they keep in their cars. About a month ago, a juvenile offender in a nearby county escaped custody and is believed to have found a gun inside an unlocked pickup truck.

"There was a key, along with a loaded Springfield .45 handgun," says Whited. "He now not only has been able to obtain a car but a loaded firearm."

Unintended consequences

"It is crazy," says state Rep. G.A. Hardaway, a Democrat who represents part of Memphis. The number of guns reported stolen from vehicles in his city has spiraled upward to 1,273 last year from 585 in 2015.

State Rep. G.A. Hardaway traces the spiraling number of firearms stolen from cars back to legislation passed earlier in the decade.
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He traces the surge back to a couple of laws passed earlier this decade that made it easier for people to keep guns in their cars.

"There was agreement that there was a need for Tennesseans to protect themselves within their cars," Hardaway says. He co-sponsored one of the bills, which dropped the permit and training requirements for guns kept in vehicles. But he says he didn't realize that so many people would be so sloppy with their guns.

It didn't cross my mind that we would have that many stupid people with weapons in their cars. - Tennessee state Rep. G.A. Hardaway

"It didn't cross my mind that we would have that many stupid people with weapons in their cars," says Hardaway. "These are the unintended consequences that we have an obligation to go back and fix."

At the urging of the Memphis police director, Hardaway introduced legislation establishing criminal penalties for people who fail to secure guns in their cars.

He says he tried to build support from the local gun lobby by amending the bill to use the word "secure" instead of "lock."

"We couldn't say, 'Lock your doors,' because NRA has an aversion to anything that says 'lock' and 'gun' in the same paragraph," Hardaway says.

The NRA wouldn't comment on the legislation to NPR.

I want to un-infringe the laws that infringe our constitutional rights. - Tennessee state Rep. Micah Van Huss

The bill stalled, in part because of opposition from Republican state Rep. Micah Van Huss, chair of the House Constitutional Protections & Sentencing Subcommittee.

"I understand there's a problem with criminals breaking into cars and stealing guns. But I don't want to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens," Van Huss says.

If anything, Van Huss believes the state should go further in deregulating firearms.

"I want to un-infringe the laws that infringe our constitutional rights. I want to get rid of them. I think it's unconstitutional to require a permit," Van Huss says.

New stage in gun rights movement

This school of thought is often called "constitutional carry," and it's the latest stage of the gun rights movement. Since the 1990s, most states have made it easier to get a permit to carry a gun; now politicians such as Van Huss want to get rid of the permit and required safety training.

Neighboring Missouri embraced full constitutional carry beginning in 2017.

Since then, both Kansas City and St. Louis have seen sharp increases in the number of guns stolen from cars.

We have had groups of individuals that are really breaking into cars just looking for weapons. - Renee Kriesmann, St. Louis police captain

"We have had groups of individuals that are really breaking into cars just looking for weapons," says Capt. Renee Kriesmann, commander of the downtown district of St. Louis where the thefts have been most common. She says thefts are especially concentrated in parking lots around sporting events.

After the law changed, "more people started carrying weapons," Kriesmann says. "And then they found themselves in positions where then they had to leave [guns] in a car in order to go to some of these events."

Some firearms trainers worry about the apparent casualness of many new gun owners.

"I think when we look at the purchase of a firearm, and stewardship doesn't come into the question, then you potentially have a problem," says Clint Bruce, a former Navy SEAL who founded a firearms training business in Texas called TRG.

"In the military, custody assumes stewardship. Not only did I issue that [weapon] to you, but you're responsible for that as long as you have it."

Constitutional carry advocates acknowledge that people can be careless with their weapons. Van Huss, for instance, says he encourages gun owners to get safety training.

"I do agree that citizens should be trained, but I don't believe it's my responsibility as government to infringe on their Second Amendment rights to tell them they have to be," Van Huss says.

Last week, the Tennessee legislature took another step in that direction by voting to reduce the minimum training requirements for permits to carry concealed firearms. Instead of the current requirement of eight hours of in-person training and live firing, applicants would be allowed to watch an online course and take a test. Supporters of the bill, which is awaiting the governor's signature, say they want to give people a less cumbersome option than current in-person safety training.

In response to the growing number of guns stolen from cars, the legislature approved a new mandatory 30-day sentence for gun thieves.

Those who pay the price

Pastor Larry Rayford doesn't like the sound of that. He ministers to young people in a Nashville neighborhood north of the state capitol, and often encounters those who are affected by guns stolen from cars.

"It's a real hurting situation," Rayford says. "We're having children, you know, that are dying, or murdering people, catching huge murder cases now, because of these guns."

He doesn't excuse the thefts, but he's baffled by the apparent indifference of people who make their guns so easy to steal.

It's a real hurting situation. We're having children, you know, that are dying. - Pastor Larry Rayford

At the same time, he says more people in this neighborhood want guns in their cars now, because so many other drivers are armed. Just a few weeks ago, he says, he watched one driver point a handgun at another.

"If it wasn't for people blowing their horn, I truly believe he would have shot that gun," he says. "He realized people had seen him, and he hurried up and sped off."

Driving while armed

News of gun crime in traffic causes more people to get guns for their cars, says Paul Jividen of Royal Range USA, a gun store and training center on the south side of Nashville.

"There's been carjackings less than a mile down the road from here, so, yes, there's very much been an increased desire for safety," Jividen says.

He encourages people to buy locks or safes for the guns they keep in their cars and to take safety training.

"If you go through one of our classes, you're not going to be one of these people violating these basic rules of gun safety," he says.

But Jividen also believes that training should be voluntary. While he wishes people showed more common sense with guns in cars, he doesn't think it's something that can be required by law.

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And now a story about unintended consequences. The number of guns stolen from cars in the U.S. is spiking. This is especially true in states like Tennessee, which have growing gun rights laws. They make it easier for people to keep guns in their cars. NPR's Martin Kaste brings us this story. And just a quick warning here - you will hear the sound of gunshots in this segment.

MARTIN KASTE, BYLINE: For the last couple of years, Tennessee has been caught in something of a vicious cycle. On one hand, people are scared of getting robbed in their cars or worse. Paul Jividen works at Royal Range USA. It's a gun store and firing range on the south side of Nashville.

PAUL JIVIDEN: Just right down the street, there's been several carjacking...

(SOUNDBITE OF GUNSHOTS)

KASTE: Those gunshots are from the store's practice range.

You said they've been carjackings around here.

JIVIDEN: There's been carjackings just less than a mile down the road from here. So, yes, there's very much been an increase in desire for safety.

KASTE: And he sees that desire as people come in to buy handguns to have with them in their cars. But here's the vicious cycle part. As more people carry guns in their cars, more of them are leaving guns in their cars to be stolen by the next wave of criminals, especially youth.

BLAINE WHITED: The kids know where they're at. They understand, we check enough door handles, we're going to get something.

KASTE: That's Nashville police Lieutenant Blaine Whited, who runs a special task force created last year to combat rising juvenile crime. He says people are getting too comfortable with their guns, leaving them in unlocked cars where they're easily swiped.

WHITED: The crime overall is not new, but the volume, the amount that we're seeing is new. It's enough to shock you.

KASTE: Six hundred fifty-nine guns were reported stolen out of vehicles in Nashville last year. That's a 70% jump over 2016. And police say those guns often end up being used in other crimes, such as the murder in February of a local musician. In fact, right before this interview, Lieutenant Whited was getting news of another incident involving a juvenile offender who just escaped custody in a nearby county.

WHITED: During his escape, he was able to lay his hands on a brand new Toyota Tacoma pickup truck that was unlocked. There was a key along with a loaded Springfield .45 handgun. He's now been able to obtain not only a car but a loaded firearm.

KASTE: So why is this happening? Why are so many people leaving guns in unlocked cars?

G A HARDAWAY: It is crazy.

KASTE: State Representative G.A. Hardaway is a Democrat from Memphis, and he has a theory. Gun thefts from cars in his city are even worse than in Nashville - almost 1,300 last year, more than twice the number in 2015. But the thefts are rising statewide. And he traces all of this back to legislation that he and his colleagues passed earlier this decade.

HARDAWAY: There was agreement that there was a need for Tennesseans to be able to protect themselves within their cars.

KASTE: So the legislature made it easier to keep guns in cars by eliminating the requirements for permits and safety training. You still need a permit to walk around with a gun, but your car is now considered an extension of your home. No permits or training needed. Hardaway supported that change at the time, not realizing what it would lead to.

HARDAWAY: It didn't cross my mind that we would have that many stupid people with weapons in their cars. But these are the unintended consequences that we have an obligation to go back and fix.

KASTE: The fix he has in mind is relatively modest - some sort of penalty for people who leave unsecured guns in cars. He suggested it be a misdemeanor punishable with a fine. But this year at the Tennessee state Capitol, there was little interest in Hardaway's fix. Beth Joslin Roth says the politicians here are not about to admit that looser gun laws may have created a crime problem.

BETH JOSLIN ROTH: It would be political kryptonite to make an assertion like that.

KASTE: She's policy director for the Safe Tennessee Project, a gun violence prevention group. She says tighter rules for gun owners just aren't in the cards here. If anything, the trend is in the opposite direction.

ROTH: Even with our lax gun laws, over the last several years, there has been a continued push to further loosen them.

KASTE: In fact, earlier this month, the legislature voted to reduce the training that people need to walk around with a concealed gun. Instead of the current requirement of eight hours of in-person training with live firing on a range, it'll be enough to watch a video and take a test online. These decreasing requirements are part of a larger push toward something called permit-less carry or constitutional carry. Other states are further along in this direction. And Republican State Representative Micah Van Huss wants Tennessee to join them.

MICAH VAN HUSS: I want to uninfringe the laws that infringe our constitutional rights. I want to get rid of them. I think it's unconstitutional to require a permit.

KASTE: Van Huss chairs a key subcommittee on constitutional rights. Not only does he oppose gun permits, he was also against Hardaway's bill to punish people who don't lock up their guns.

VAN HUSS: I just don't want to criminalize law-abiding citizens. I understand there's problems where criminals are breaking into cars and getting guns, but, you know, I don't make criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

KASTE: He says the answer is to come down harder on the thieves. And that's just what the legislature has now done, approving a new 30-day minimum sentence for the theft of a firearm. Pastor Larry Rayford doesn't like the sound of that. He has a ministry in a neighborhood a couple of miles from the state Capitol. He says he often encounters the young men who are affected by guns stolen from cars.

LARRY RAYFORD: It's a real hurting situation. We're having children, you know, that are dying or that are murdering people or are catching huge murder cases now because these guns.

KASTE: Rayford doesn't excuse kids who steal guns. But he says the fact that everyone now seems to have one in the car makes them think they need to have one, too.

RAYFORD: Not only do we have children that are stealing guns, but we also have children that are scared for their life. So now they're trying to protect theyself and they think the best way to protect theyself is to have a firearm.

KASTE: And he's baffled by the apparent indifference of gun owners who make it so easy for kids to get their hands on the guns. That's actually something you hear people saying at the firing ranges, too.

(SOUNDBITE OF GUNSHOTS)

KASTE: Back at Royal Range USA, Paul Jividen says it's, quote, "beyond insanity" for someone to leave a gun in an unlocked car. He urges his customers to buy gun safes or locks for their cars and more.

JIVIDEN: Our biggest objective is to train people. If you've gone on through one of our classes, you're not going to be one of the people that is violating these very basic rules of gun safety.

KASTE: That said, Jividen does not think the state should go back to requiring training for guns kept in cars. He also sees that as an infringement to the Second Amendment. And that is where things stand right now in Tennessee - a widespread desire for more common sense with guns but deep disagreement about whether that common sense should be required by law. Martin Kaste, NPR News, Nashville. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.